WSET Bitesize – What is orange wine?

Foreign Good morning good afternoon good evening Thank you for joining us Do let us know in the chat where you’re Dialing in from Or we have Dubai Belgium already all around Orlando Florida my gosh Aberdeen Italy wow we really are all over that’s Fantastic Um so I’ll get started welcome firstly Everybody to this what is orange wine Webinar Um my name’s Anjali And uh just so you know um this session Is going to be recorded and will be Available to watch via the WSET Global Um event hub on YouTube Um if you do have any questions please Do um post them in the Q a box because That’s the box I’ll be checking and I Will take some questions at the end of This session so um do use that q a Function Um okay so just as a hello really an Introduction of myself my name’s Anjali Um I am a wine educator at the wct School in London Where I teach uh WSET courses in wine Level one two and um recently qualified To teach level three courses as well Uh now orange wine it’s um a topic That’s sort of seemingly suddenly become Kind of everywhere it’s popping up all

Over on in uh shops on restaurant lists Um I’m hearing about it more and more And getting more and more questions About it so I think it’s a really kind Of timely topic Um and really a lot to dig into so we Won’t really even I imagine probably Managed to scratch the surface in the Kind of 20 25 minutes we have but I’m Gonna do my best And the first thing I think might be the Most useful is to do a little bit of Myth busting so the first thing I’m Going to do is look at some key kind of Myths that surround um the category of Orange wine and dispel them uh and then We’re going to have a little look at What orange wine is Um a few recommendations a few food Pairings and things like that which Hopefully if any of you have tasted some Orange ones recently can help out with Recommendations or recommendations with Those wines with some food that would be Fair Um so firstly my first myth uh is a bit Of an annoying one really orange wines Look orange in color It’s uh not necessarily as simple as That which I hope um I will Um Be able to show you my use of uh humble Venn diagram uh so orange wine Can sometimes look orange or probably a

Better term is Amber in appearance but Not always Um orange wines really can be quite a Wide spectrum of appearances Um including kind of lemon yellow a more Golden Um appearance Amber bright orange even Some orange wines can be pink in color Um so we can expect a whole array of Different appearances within this Category of orange wines We’ll have a look at that in a bit more Detail when we look at the production Process Now my second myth Orange wine is made from oranges quite a Common misconception actually And I’m gonna bring back my Venn diagram Here Um and as you can see orange wine Is not really connected to oranges in Fact when I’m talking about orange wine In this webinar I’m not talking about The fruit oranges involved at any stage In the production process However I really wanted to wrap my Brains with this and have found a couple Of exceptions which uh you’re welcome to Kind of take into account I don’t think They will um affect how we are going to Look at this style of wine but they’re Just a couple of things to kind of keep In mind Um firstly the Mimosa

Um a truly wonderful cocktail made up of Sparkling wine and orange juice so there Is uh Potentially a connection here this is Wine that has orange juice in it but it Is not what we would term as orange wine As delicious as it is known as boxers in The UK Um and the second I mean in the wine World there really does end up being an Exception to everything Um so another exception I have dug out For you is Vino de niranja from juelver and Malaga Um in Spain And this is uh what we call an Aromatized wine so it behaves a little Bit like a vermouth and it’s a wine that Has had Orange Peel macerated into it And to impart some flavor Um I haven’t actually tasted myself but In my kind of research this presentation It is up there on my list as a style I’d Really like to taste Um but really when it comes to this Webinar and when you’re sort of hearing About orange wine out and about Um we won’t be kind of referring to These we’ll be referring to something Entirely different a wine made from Grapes Um okay myth number three Orange wine is natural wine Now this is also oh a little bit

Um a little bit of a tricky one Um but Some orange wine is natural Um and not all natural wine is orange Wine Really there is and can be quite a big Cross over here Um but Natural wine is is a philosophy and a Perspective of how one might want to Make wine and approach wine making Whereas orange wine is a category or Style of wine that any wine maker can Produce So there is quite a lot of crossover Here and that’s because orange wine Lends itself very well to making as few Interventions as possible whilst making Wine Um and so they kind of complement each Other very well but that’s not to say That all orange wine is by definition Going to be natural And certainly not the other way around Okay my final myth to bust Um is that orange wines are just a trend And they’re a passing Trend and um soon There’ll be uh kind of entirely Forgotten about and it really couldn’t Be kind of further from the truth here Um I’ve managed to take out a painting Please excuse me because I’m not an art Historian Um but this is a painting by Hans Von

Achen Um a German painter uh born in 1552 and I am pretty sure here that he is Drinking a glass of orange wine and in Fact if you look at lots of paintings Um if you go to for example the National Gallery somewhere like that and you see Wine being depicted Um in beautiful kind of paintings and Portraits it almost always looks like it Might be orange wine and actually The truth is Orange wines they predate white wines So when it comes to white wine making Um we’ll look at this in a little bit More detail shortly but White winemaking requires more um Equipment and kind of and technological Development let’s say than the Production of orange wine so orange wine Predates the category of white wine Um Countries like Georgia have been making Orange wine for 8 000 years so it’s Certainly in that sense uh not a passing Trend production has more or less Um Continued uh around the world in various Different parts of the world for an Incredibly long time Um there’s evidence of this style of Wine being produced in in ancient Egypt As well Um

And moving kind of closer to the present Day it has been kind of as recently as The 60s that these wines were I’ve put Here just as widely consumed but maybe Not just as widely but still pretty Widely consumed and certainly parts of Northern uh Northeastern Italy parts of Slovenia Um that these wines were really really Commonly consumed so it may be more Accurate to say that we’re coming out of The trend of not drinking very much Orange wine Um and a big Resurgence of this style Um in the west at least Um it began approximately 20 years ago Um and most credit Um winemaker josgo grabner with that He’s based in friuli in North Eastern Italy uh so you can you can buy gravner Wines um today and they’re certainly Worth tasting if you want to kind of Geek out on this category So these are my four myths which Hopefully I’ve made a start at busting But as we go through the rest of this Presentation We can Um dig in a little bit to some of these Ideas and please do as I said I can see Already a couple of questions popping up Please do um ask some questions uh which I’ll come to at the end Now we’ve looked at what orange wine

Isn’t Um but what is orange wine I’ve had a go of writing a definition Here Um orange wine Firstly is wine that is made using white Grape varieties Um so it needs to be made using white Grape varieties you’ll hopefully have Heard of quite a few of these Um including chardonnays and white grape Variety sauvignon blanc Shannon Blanc Pinot Grigio so we need to be using White grape varieties And the skins of these grapes for the Production of orange wine have been left In contact with the juice during Fermentation Um so we’re going to soak those skins in The rest of the grape juice whilst Fermentation is taking place and the Effect that this will have is we will Impart flavor We will also very often be imparting Tannin and in part in color Italian is that drying sensation Um that you can pick up when you’re Tasting red wines Um you also find tannins in tea so they Kind of dry out your mouth a little bit And they exist on the skins of our Grapes So white wine we generally don’t find That drying sensation red wine we

Generally do and orange wine we will Also likely find this kind of drying Sensation from tannins Um we’ll pick up some color as well uh As I said earlier we might be picking up A kind of orangey color as you can see In this image Um on the side but it may be closer to a Kind of lemony yellow it may be more Golden Um and that really depends on how the Winemaker is going to approach making The wine And on that note I think it’s worth Looking at how these wines are made the Kind of sequence of what needs to take Place in order to make orange wine And in order to do that I think it’s Probably best to start with how we make White wine Uh and so I’m going to show you a slide Here which I’ve pretty much nipped from The uh WSET uh level 2 qualification in Wine Um there’s something similar uh that you Can find in your level one courses as Well uh and when we’re making white wine Firstly we want to harvest our grapes And we want to crush up those grapes To release the juice inside Those Grapes And Then what we pretty much immediately Want to do is press those crushed up Grapes

And so you can see that in the the kind Of second image underpressing these Grapes are being pushed through a vessel That has lots and lots of holes at the Bottom And there’s a big heavy plate on the top That will push down all of these crushed Up grapes and that will just release the Pure clear grape juice That exists in the kind of Pulp inside The grapes and all of the solids the Skins and the seeds any stems that have Got in there will kind of stay at the Top of this press as a kind of cake of Solids really And so when it comes to making white Wine all we want to be fermenting is Pure clear grape juice so we’ve released All of that clear juice from the Press We will allow fermentation to take place Um and that means adding a little bit of Yeast that yeast will then consume the Sugar in that grape juice and convert it Into alcohol And then hey Presto we have our wine we Have our white wine We can then choose to store it or mature It for a period of time Um and then we package it But really I think the most important Thing to take away when it comes to the Production of white wine is that the Grape skins don’t play any part in the Um style the texture the Aromas and

Flavors that you’re going to get in that Way those Skins are essentially kind of A byproduct of production we can get rid Of them we can feed them to pigs we can Make Grappa out of them but we’re not Going to use them for the production of Our white wine Foreign so with that in mind I’m going To now show you how orange wine is made And really it just means a few parts in This process the sequencing is flipped a Little bit so we’re making orange wine We are going to still Harvest our white Grape varieties They need to be white grape varieties Here we’re going to crush them up Um And then what we’re going to do is we’re Going to allow all of those crushed up Grapes The pulp the Skins the seeds To ferment Um and what that means is whilst Alcoholic fermentation is taking place So by that I mean whilst the yeast is Seeking out the sugar and converting it Into alcohol what is also taking place Is those grape Skins are soaking in that Liquid and imparting Maybe a little bit of their tannin that Mouth drying um Quality and maybe a Little bit of color as well And you can leave these grapes when it Comes to the production of orange wine

In contact with that juice for anything Between about a week and about a year And this plays a big part in the final Appearance of the wine so the longer we Leave those grapes it in con there’s Grape skins in contact with that liquid The more of that color we’re going to be Extracting out of our grapes Um And potentially more importantly the More tannin we’re also going to be Extracting so the more kind of drying And kind of textural that wine is then Going to be this is a really kind of Wide amount of time anytime from a week To a year and that will really determine The final style that we’re likely to Expect in our orange wine So we’ve crushed up our grapes we’ve Allowed alcoholic fermentation to take Place with the skins in contact with the Rest of the juice And when we’re happy That the Skins have done their job and Have imparted everything we need in Terms of flavors and texture that tannin Will then press so we’ll then take all Of that liquid including all of the um Seeds Uh and the skins and we’ll put that Through our press And we will just release at this point The orange wine Then we have the option to store or

Mature that wine Um and then we can package it we have Options here so we can put it in an oak Barrel if we want we could keep it in Stainless steel what is increasingly Done with orange wine is put it in clay Vessels Um potentially things like amphora Um and then we can package that wine uh And we’re ready so if I just quickly Flip back to our white wine production You can see that all all that really Changes is step two and step three are Flipped Um so there we go if I just go back That’s our white wine we press earlier On in the process and for our orange Wine we press a little bit later Now if we were Using this orange wine process but we Were instead harvesting Black Grape Varieties we’d be making red wine Um so we’d be harvesting our black Grapes And allowing those black grapes to soak In the juice imparting this deep red Color and they’re tannin too so it’s Quite helpful I suppose to think of an Orange wine As a white wine made in the same way as A red wine Or using white grape varieties sorry I Should say and processing those in the Same way that you would for a red wine

Um or what’s quite a Time quite commonly Used is a skin contact white wine Might be another way that you term an Orange wine and by that we mean those Grape Skins are left in contact with the Liquid I do think orange can be a little Bit misleading partly because it’s so Connected to the the fruit oranges Um partly because it is quite well Connected to the color which is not Always going to be orange so skin Contacts can be quite useful I think There’s lots of wine makers who prefer The term Amber as well so I was not to Confuse Um the wine with the fruit oranges [Music] Um And so we’ve made our orange wine but What does it taste like and I think That’s one of the really truly wonderful Things about orange wine is that there Is such a wide set of Aromas and flavors That you can find Um and I’ve just got a few of them down Here but there really are so many more Um orange wine can be particularly Floral Um all different kinds of flowers as Well so from kind of honeysuckle Um roses Many many different flowers and Including dried flowers as well so they Can be very kind of floral and perfumed

They can share Lots in common with Aromas of tea Um And different styles of tea as well so Black tea green tea chamomile you also Find Aromas of those teas in Orange Wines and that goes along quite well With the texture that you can often find In Orange wines this kind of grip from Those grape skins imparting their tannin You can find these lovely Aromas of tea Of flowers and then also dried fruit so Here I’ve got dried apricot which is Quite a common Aroma in lots of orange Wines but all sorts of other dried Fruits as well things like Um dried apple Dried pineapple Um Even kind of baked apple Aroma you can Often find in Orange wines so this Really also only just scratches the Surface on top of these Aromas things Like flowers tea and dried fruit we can Also find Um all of the Aromas that you might find In in whites Maybe a bit more supercharged a little Bit more intense Um so lots of citrus fruits citrus peel Um fresh fruit as well Um lots of tropical fruit Aromas uh you Can particularly find in Orange wines And then other kinds of herbs and spices

So orange wines can often exhibit Aromas Of things like Um saffron All those kind of more aromatic spices Coriander seed and fennel uh and Aromas Like that so there’s often a real lot Going on aromatically in an orange wine I think that’s just one reason to really Get stuck in try and find some and taste Them because some of the Aromas you you Can detect in Orange wines you really Can’t find in um white Reds or roses Thank you So What to try Um I’ve got a few suggestions here Um including some regions some great Varieties and some Styles so firstly In lots of ways the the home of orange Wine is wines from Georgia and these Will be termed Amber wines they’re Becoming increasingly easy Um to find Um they’re becoming more and more Popular and Um what is quite Um popular uh at the moment when it Comes to George and wine is quavery Wines which you can see these vessels in This image On the side Um and this is a a really traditional Way to produce uh wine in Georgia and Some of those wines are Amber wines

Um and so the grapes are placed the Crushed up grapes are placed in these Quavery vessels which are often uh not Always Um dug underground to keep temperatures Really nice and cool and constant And then lifted back out of the ground When they’re ready and this can be like A year later Um where they’ve imparted um some color And some tannin into those wines so They’re really really worth Um tasting and seeking out Um in terms of Um Some other key regions uh the kind of Home of orange wine Um is uh the wine making regions of Slovenia and also uh close to this Slovenian border the region of freely Venezia Julia in Italy so this is really Where you’re going to find Um producers who have been making orange Wine for longer Potentially I mentioned earlier josco Gravner Um is kind of credited with the Resurgence Um at least in Europe of this style Um and gravity wines are based in in Freely so worth uh checking out for the Kind of the ogs or at least the new ogs Um ramato wine this is a style of wine Made in friuli

Um so you’ll see both written on the Label romato wine is a wine Um an orange wine made using Pinot Grigio grapes Um and you’ll see this um Amber golden Color Uh and again a more kind of traditional Style of that production so worth Seeking those out you’ll see the term Romato on the label A little bit of a controversial one Um Tokai uh more Um Uh well known I suppose and not Necessarily Um considered an orange wine but if we Go back to the way that orange wine is Produced Um via skin contact of white grape Varieties Um Soaking in the juice that is how Tokai ASU is made we will take our ASU berries So berries inflicted by Noble Rot and by This point they’re a little bit Shriveled but we’re going to macerate Those berries back into our grape juice Um and so what is that if not orange Wine I don’t think it generally comes Under that category if you were looking At a wine list or if you were in a store But I think it’s worth kind of Remembering that not all orange wine is Is necessarily what we think it’s all

About how we’re how we’re making it in The first place and I suppose in some Senses Toco can come under that bracket Um Some great varieties that are Um well known uh for producing some high Quality orange wines uh ribola Jala Um this again we find in northeastern Italy Um famous for the production of orange Wine Um zabibo Um is responsible for making some high Quality Um orange Wines in in Sicily it’s a Muscat grape so you may know it by Another name Uh Pinot Gris and Pinot Blanc uh also Well known for orange wine and then Shannon Blanc is increasingly being used For the production of orange wine so Hopefully some of these great varieties You’ve heard of and maybe some of them Are something a little bit new for you To kind of explore and try Um because orange wine really is a Production process we can make orange One using a really wide variety of grape Varieties so this again really just Scratches the surface we can make orange Wine using all sorts of different Varietals Um aromatic grape varieties are becoming Increasingly popular ways to make orange

Wine because they’ve already got quite a Lot of kind of intense floral or Herbaceous character so look out for More Um orange wines made using aromatic Varietals things like geverts tremina Potentially um Sauvignon Blanc Um Lastly Um before we kind of have a little look At some questions I can see that they’re Adding up in my q a Um Uh board Some food pairing now I think one of the Most fantastic things about orange wine Is just how versatile it is with food so Again I am only scratching the surface Here There is an awful lot of food that will Go incredibly well with orange wine it’s Sort of one of the reasons that I would Really encourage uh you to seek it out And try it is not necessarily to consume By itself so that’s an interesting thing Um but to have alongside food I think That’s really where lots of orange wine Can sing Um that texture that is picked up from Those grape skins really lends itself Well to lots of different foods Um and so just a few ideas here uh Lebanese food You can see with my first two

Suggestions Lebanese food and Indian Food these are very kind of diverse food Groups and that’s partly where I’m going With this is that it is quite versatile Orange wine and can go with lots of Different flavors and can kind of live Up to lots of different powerful Um flavors in foods which actually a lot Of wines can end up struggling and Getting a little bit lost with really Powerful intense and flavors in food So Lebanese food Um uh Think lots of acidity and things like Pickles as well as some kind of Creaminess from yogurts um some kind of Rich fried Um Foods as well so things like Falafel And then grilled Meats as well can go Especially if they’ve been kind of Seasoned with different spices and herbs Um can go really well with lots of Orange wines Indian food Um I try to sort of place this as a good Food pairing for lots of different wines Because I am a half Indian and I think Indian food goes well with all sorts of Different wines but very much so with Orange wines I think those Slightly kind of spicy aromatics you can Often find in Orange wine really go well With lots of the kind of delicate Aromatic spicing that you find in all

Sorts of Indian food and again the Diversity of Indian food I’ve got a Picture of it well really looks like a Tarly here Um means that an orange wine is more Likely to be happy alongside all of These different flavors so definitely Give that a go And lastly Um mature strong Um hard cheeses can be a really lovely Pairing as well as lots of different Nuts walnuts does get Um a bit more of a shout out my research Walnut is often seen as a kind of really Lovely nut to go with these orange wines But all sorts of nuts I think will be Lovely Um as we’re am I allowed to say we’re Almost approaching Christmas I don’t Think so we’re only just in October here Um but uh as we’re getting more of this Stuff on the table I think it’s worth Experimenting a little bit more with Some orange wines alongside things like Cheese boards Um especially if you’ve got either Slightly nuttier cheeses or bowls of Nuts uh would certainly worth giving a Go Um so that’s my kind of Whistle Stop Tour of orange wine And I can see we’ve got some questions Uh so I’m just gonna have a little look

At some questions now Um I’ve got some suggestions for um orange Wine cortem in Portugal doing orange Wine that sounds lovely I’m seeing Increasing amounts of orange wine coming Out of Portugal so that’s exciting Um orange Wine and Food well here Ed I’ve just scratched the surface but I Think it’s really one to experiment with And there are way fewer ways to go wrong Um when it comes to Orange wine and food Pairing so I think that’s a um It’s it’s a particularly good one to Experiment with I would say Um Can the barrel wood used to change The color Clive that is a really Fantastic question so I think part of The reason why I wanted to kind of Dispel the myth that orange wine is Always orange is that if you have Studied any qualifications with us You’ll know that there are a number of Other factors which will affect the Appearance of a wine Um so that skin contact May impart some Color But what might also be imparted what Might also provide color to a wine is For example storing it in an oak barrel For a prolonged period of time Oak Barrels are watertight but they’re not Airtight so over time oxygen can affect The appearance of a wine in the same way

That if you bite into an apple and it Starts to go Brown oxygen can do that to A white wine so you may have a white Wine that looks a bit orangey or Goldy There’s actually not to do with skin Contact that’s to do with exactly as you Say Um being placed in oak barrel for a long Period of time or having some age on it Um Labels or producers Um that I recommend I mean I’ve had a Look at some regions here I would Encourage trying Um uh the wines that are coming out of Um Georgia Amber wines As well as wines from freely uh Venezia Julia and Slovenia Um I can place a few other more specific Suggestions um on my Instagram a little Bit later so look out for that Um Cold maceration as well as alcoholic Fermentation Uh yes so if this process is taking About a year It’s not just necessarily going to be During the process of fermentation that Um the color in tannin is extracted so We might have some maceration taking Place pre-fermentation and also Potentially post fermentation as well Um because fermentation may not take Quite so long as for example an entire

Year Um how long is the fermentation with the Skin a question from Another really good question and I think That’s one of the tricky things about Orange wine It can be anything from about a week up To about a year but none of that is kind Of legislated none of that is really a Rule so there’s no reason to it couldn’t Be even longer than that or potentially Even slightly shorter than that and so Really there’s quite a wide Um set of styles you can achieve by Making orange wine and it generally Comes down to how long that skin that Grape skin has been left in contact with The juice Um Risks with leaving the SK skins on During fermentation Um actually it protects against spoilage A little bit better it’s a question from Elizabeth so that’s partly why um orange Wine production has been embraced by the Natural wine Community because it Requires fewer kind of interventions to Protect a white wine for example against Spoilage so um it’s quite a Um Quite a robust or what’s the word it’s a Way of making wine that isn’t quite so Risky in terms of spoilage as Potentially white wine is

Um Could we call Orange wine macerated White wine we definitely could that’s a Good um term for it uh I also like skin Contact I like Amber Um romato is kind of a category in and Of itself uh it is confusing that word Orange Um but I can see why it gets used and I Think it does make lots of sense in lots Of ways as long as you kind of caveat it By saying no oranges were used here Um but yes macerated work skin contact Also certainly works Um rose wines also have an orange color So is that also orange wine another Really good question so the difference Really between rose wine and orange wine Is that rose wine is made using Black Grape varieties and those black grape Varieties Um will just be left the skins of those Black grape varieties will just be left In contact with the juice For a very short amount of time Just imparting a little bit of this kind Of pinkish color orange wine By contrast needs to be made using white Grape varieties but there are lots of Similarities there and certainly can be Um Ed Wilson uh how do you know when orange One has gone off Um that’s an interesting question

Because I suppose uh you’ve you’ve said It’s not necessarily uh that easy to see That the color has changed or the Appearance has changed I think really You’ve got to give it a smell and a Taste if it’s still smelling kind of Vibrant with those Aromas of things like Spices and fruits tropical fruits and Things like that then you know you’re Good Um if it’s starting to smell a little Bit Um stale uh potentially or Um a little bit vinegary then it might Be that it’s been left open too long or Something like that but really there’s No other way than to smell and taste it Um is orange wine going to be available In India gosh I’m really not sure of That but what I do know is that it’s Getting more and more popular and Exports are growing and growing because Demand for it as particularly in Europe Is certainly going up so I imagine Um demand will be rising around the World too for this style of wine Um and last question I think from Mo are There any grapes um that are going to Give a better taste Um so I guess any that are more better Suited to the production of orange wine Um another really good question Uh Aromatic grape varieties are generally

Considered to be um quite positive thing For the production of orange wine so Look out for those great varieties that You might um Uh use for uh aromatic white wines so as I said sauvignon blanc Giver stramina All right some good ideas uh ribola Jala Is really considered the orange wine Grape in northeastern Italy so another Good one to check Um a few more questions coming through This is brilliant uh can we serve it With blue cheese I think that’s a great Shout particularly a kind of uh more Intense maybe slightly more robust style Of orange wine definitely would go well With blue cheese Um another question from Clive can other Woods be used for barrels uh yep they Absolutely can so as with other um Production of wine we can certainly use Other words so acacia wood and it’s Being increasingly useful Um white wine production I don’t see why That wouldn’t uh be a great thing to use For orange wine to Um cherry wood as well Um but oat barrels still sort of rain Supreme when it comes to those uh those Vessels Um just one last note on that is that Yes we might use wood but amphora are Increasingly used so these kind of clay Vessels including quivery which we see

In Georgia but um all over when it comes To producing orange wine and using clay Amphora vessels is also very popular Um The usual ABV on orange ones another Question from Ed a really good question Um they tend to be on these slightly Lower uh side but um can be anything Really there’s no rule of thumb but as a General rule mostly orange wines that I’ve kind of uh seen and tasted have Been on the lower alcohol side so under 13 ABV sometimes even under 12. Um So I can see a little feedback Um window has opened up on your uh Screen if you wouldn’t mind filling that Out that would be fantastic Um This uh the recording of This webinar Will be emailed to everybody so look out For that in your inbox and it will also Sit on the WSET event sub on YouTube so You can catch up Um whenever you like Um if any of this has made you kind of Keen to think about studying wine or Doing a wsct qualification then you can Visit our where to study page um on the Wct website and have a look for a Provider of courses near you Um I’ll just uh Put my little thank you slide up and say

Thank you everybody so much for joining Us Um I hope you’ve managed to uh find some Orange wine today uh to have a taste of It Um and explore such a fantastic category Thank you